9/13/2019 Hi Point Firearms Serial Number Location
Gus Chan, The Plain Dealer with Leila Atassi An Ohio gun maker and a distributor are targets of what could be a landmark legal case after a New York appeals court this month decided a gunshot victim could sue both for providing criminals with the pistol that wounded him. Beemiller Inc, the model guns, along with the company's sole distributor, have been trying to deflect the suit for seven years - arguing that federal law protects them from being held responsible for crimes committed with their products. At the crux of the lawsuit is whether the gun maker and distributor produced and sold cheap guns that they knew would be popular on the criminal market and ignored signs of illegal activity when dealing their wares.
The Ohio-based companies argue that Hi-Points are simply affordable firearms, and that MKS Supply owner Charles Brown was conned into selling a gun trafficker and his accomplices hundreds of guns that ended up on the streets of Buffalo. Jonathan Lowy, a lawyer for the, said that trial courts have allowed cases against gun dealers in the past, but this was the first time a case against a manufacturer and distributor has survived appellate scrutiny. While the case will play out in a New York court, the outcome could have ramifications for Cleveland and other Ohio communities. Hi-Points have remained for years among the most common guns confiscated by Cleveland police and also comprised the majority of illegally purchased guns in cases federally prosecuted in Northern Ohio. Beemiller Inc. Owner Tom Deeb proudly hold a Hi-Point C9 pistol. Deeb said though some say firearms he produces are popular with criminals, he helps law enforcement catch bad guys in ways no other manufacturer does.
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Gun Chan, The Plain Dealer Buffalo teen Daniel Williams and his family with the help of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Center filed the lawsuit in 2005. Williams, a high school basketball standout, was mistaken for a gang rival in 2003 and shot while playing basketball in front of a neighbor's house. He nearly died in his fathers arms, but later recovered.
Police quickly and traced the gun used in the shooting to a sale at an Ohio gun show more than two years earlier. It was one of 87 guns purchased by an Ohio woman, Kimberly Upshaw.
She along with James Nigel Bostic and two other women bought as many as 181 Hi-Points from Brown. His company, MKS Supply, is the sole distributor of the brand. Bostic told Brown he was planning on opening his own gun shop, according to court filings, though he lacked a federal license to do so and was not likely to obtain one because of past convictions for misdemeanors. The lawsuit accuses Brown of using his personal federal firearms license to sell large numbers of guns to Bostic's companions, even though Bostic himself picked out the guns and paid for them - a deal known as a straw purchase. In such transactions, a person buys a gun for someone who is a convicted felon and cannot legally purchase a firearm or for someone who wants to shield his or her identity from connection to the purchase.
For example, when someone buys a large number of guns at once, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives might flag that transaction as suspicious. To avoid this, a straw buyer would lie on a federal firearms purchase form that he or she is the 'actual buyer' of some of the guns. At least 141 of the Hi-Points that Bostic and two other women bought were later fenced on the streets of Buffalo. A number of them eventually were used in crimes, including the Williams shooting.
Brown ha s consistently denied that the women were straw purchasers or that there was anything illegal about the gun-show sales. But Bostic and his two accomplices were federally prosecuted in New York for illegal gun trafficking. The women were sentenced to probation, while Bostic received seven years behind bars.
He was released in 2010. The ATF and federal prosecutors did not bring charges against Brown. 'To prosecute a dealer, you'd have to show they were knowingly making illegal sales, Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel Violanti told the Buffalo News in 2005. 'That forces you to look into the mind of the dealer as they were selling the gun. That's a difficult thing to accomplish.' However, the same Buffalo News series included interviews with two of the woman who bought guns.
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They said it was clear the guns were for Bostic. He selected and paid for them. They just filled out the paperwork. The Plain Dealer The lawsuit against Beemiller and MKS Supply states that both companies should have known that the guns sold to Bostic would end up in the hands of criminals. Bostic and the women had purchased multiple guns on prior occasions, paid for them in cash and selected Hi-Point 9 mm handguns, which are 'disproportionately used in crime' and have 'no collector value or interest.' All are red flags to a seasoned gun dealer, the suit asserts. Records show Hi-Points were the firearm of choice in more than 60 percent of straw purchase cases federally prosecuted in the Northern District of Ohio region since 2006.
Hi-Points, which are manufactured in a small plant about 80 miles from Cleveland, also were among the guns most confiscated by Cleveland police in the past five years. Police seized 83 Hi-Points in 2011 and 64 so far this year.
The guns also have been connected to high-profile shootings both nationally and locally. Eric Harris used one of the maker's 10-round magazine carbines in the 1999 Columbine school shooting. A straw purchased Hi-Point was used the previous year in the slaying of Cleveland vice Detective Robert Clark. Several Hi-Point models have been banned in Chicago and the state of Massachusetts by consumer protection laws. According to the lawsuit, the ATF had notified Beemiller and MKS Supply that 13,000 Hi-Points had been used in crimes between 1988 and 2000. The gun maker and distributor have argued that the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, passed in 2005, shields gun makers from lawsuits over criminal use of their products. A New York state court agreed and dismissed Williams' complaint in May 2011.
The appellate court, however, reinstated the case this month, ruling that the law exempts from protection those who knowingly violate state or federal laws that govern the sale or marketing of firearms. Lowy, the Brady Center lawyer, said the gun industry has argued that it is immune from the civil justice system. 'But if you knowingly violate gun laws you clearly don't get that protection,' Lowy said. 'I'll be very interested to hear their arguments, why it was perfectly legal and reasonable to sell hundreds of guns to gun traffickers,' he said. Brown, of MKS Supply, said in a recent interview that the Brady Center has manipulated the facts to further its anti-gun agenda. He contended that the transactions were not straw purchases - that Bostic and his companions all passed background checks, filled out the required paperwork and were brought to the ATF's attention.
Brown's Dayton-based attorney, Scott Braum, said the Brady Center used gun trace data 'wildly inappropriately' when linking Hi-Points to crime, as not all gun traces are performed in connection to criminal cases. And the center villainized the gun as one designed for criminals with no value to the average gun-owner, he said. 'There is nothing that says people only have the right to buy a $1,000 gun vs. A $300 gun,' he said. 'And many people don't have that choice if they want a gun to protect their family. Hi-Point is an affordable firearm. And there is absolutely a very large, legal market for an affordable, reliable, accurate firearm in America.'
Braum said he and other attorneys on the case are evaluating their options for appeal. Tom Deeb, whose company has been making Hi-Points since 1988 and now is the 4th largest pistol manufacturer in the country, producing as many as 85,000 a year, said in a recent interview that his heart breaks every time he hears about a crime involving one of his guns.
But the Brady Center is misguided in targeting his company, he said. More than any other gun manufacturer in the world, Deeb said, he has shown a commitment to keeping his product out of the hands of criminals - an effort that has been widely recognized by law enforcement officials. In 2009, then-Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray presented Deeb with a Citizens' Service Award for helping forensic laboratories throughout the country send firearms examiners to professional conferences and by offering gun identification training at those events. The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification & Investigation, which nominated Deeb for the award, also praised him for his manufacturing process 'specifically designed to aid law enforcement, with the goal of making each of his firearms more easily identifiable.'
Among the guns' features are unique rifling in their barrels and extra finishing processes on breech faces that create unique and identifiable striations on spent bullets and shells. Also the guns feature hidden serial numbers that cannot be obliterated by criminals - making for an easier trace, the nomination form states. The Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners also endorsed Deeb for the award.
Deeb sent a reporter a decade's worth of other commendations and letters of thanks from law enforcement officials and forensic lab technicians in Alabama, Arizona, Illinois, Michigan and West Virginia. 'I'm the most decorated gun manufacturer in the world,' Deeb said. 'The lawsuit is pointing fingers at probably the best guy there is in this business.'
Deeb said that because his guns are popular among criminals, he felt that helping identify them more easily was the right thing to do. 'I realize that there are bad aspects of this business,' Deeb said. 'It bothers me enough that I will make sure that if people use my guns to commit crimes, they are a lot more likely to get caught.' Deeb said that he never met Bostic, but called him a con-artist who managed to convince Brown that his intentions were legal and legitimate. When told Hi-Points are the guns most commonly involved in straw-purchase cases in Northern Ohio, Deeb said he was proud. 'I'm tickled to death,' he said. 'That makes my chest swell with pride because we caught all those people.'
He suggested that straw-purchase cases involving guns from other manufacturers sometimes fall apart because criminals remove the serial numbers, rendering the weapons. Lori O'Neill, a Northeast Ohio gun violence and trafficking prevention specialist, said that if a long-established, federally licensed gun dealer like Brown cannot be trusted to recognize an obviously illegal purchase of handguns to a straw buyer, the state needs to take action. The state should limit the number of handguns a person can purchase in a single transaction, she said. And all federally licensed gun dealers and employees should be required to undergo training on recognizing straw purchases, said O'Neill, who has consulted with Cleveland-area law enforcement on gun issues. 'While determined criminals may find a way to get guns,' she said. ' We don't have to make it so easy for them.'
Why this is in Remington Firearms Category I don't know, this is the VERY little I know about high point and taking them apart. You lock the slide and it exposed a take down p in, yes a PIN for take down! This adds to the list of why a lot of people don't like them, they are however generally reliable, fairly accurate, have a good warranty. On the downsides once you have it in your hands it's obvious, big and ugly, also insanely a take down pin to dissassemble but for the typical on sale $99 bucks purchase price a lot are sold! I welcome someone to edit this post but this is what happens when you ask a Remington guy a High Point question, this however should get you started. I suspect after the pin is out it'll be obvious I'm sure your just looking for the typical take down lever. The Remington guy is right.
I own a Hi Point and you lock the slide exposing the pin. Your weapon should have come with a tool to remove said pin. Don't loss it or your gun is worthless although some would argue that it already is. Everyone's right about the take down pin. You can replace it with a small screw if you don't like the design. That aside, losing the provided tool isn't really a problem.
You just need a drift punch to knock out the roll pin. This is not public information. Contrary to public opinion, most guns are not 'registered' Certain cities or States require a local registration. Background checks are n ow mandatory, but it is the buyer that is being checked.
This gun was made in 1971 and sold when only the Dealer was required to have the buyer fill out a form that the Dealer kept for a certain number of years. Who knows if the gun was registered or not in a certain city or state. Law Enforcement agencies can track only so much.
Hi-Point Firearms FAQ Hi-Point Firearms FAQ offers semi-automatic handguns in four calibers.380 ACP, 9mm,.40 S&W, and.45 ACP. All are made in the United States of America with no imported components or parts. Every gun is test-fired prior to shipment to ensure proper and safe functioning. Hi-Point has one of the lowest return/repair rates in the firearms industry. Each year Hi-Point produces about 50,000 pistols and 15,000 carbines (based on ). Offer semi-automatic carbines in two calibers: 9mm and 40S&W.
There is Is there a Forum for Hi-Point Firearms? Yes, There is also a How Was The 995 Carbine Developed? Tom Deeb of Beemiller Inc. Of Ohio developed the Hi-Point 995 carbine, a very inexpensive semi-automatic rifle, during the era of the now-defunct 1994 Federal assault weapons ban. It is constructed using polymers and alloyed metals as much as possible, resulting in a reduction of the production costs and sale price. It is worth noting that the Hi-Point carbine is sometimes incorrectly referred to as an assault rifle; in fact it is just a semiautomatic pistol-caliber carbine. It functions via a simple direct blowback action, and it is chambered for the common 9mm parabellum pistol cartridge.
The same company manufactures a version chambered in.40 Smith & Wesson. In spite of the military appearance of this rifle, it was developed for the civilian market. General Information About Hi-Point Firearms, Inc., and Owner Thomas Deeb Hi-Point Firearms is owned by Thomas Deeb. Deeb makes inexpensive handguns so everyone - particularly the poor - can afford one for protection or recreation. 'Say a guy goes fishing and wants to carry a gun in his tackle box.
You don't want to put a $700 Glock in a tackle box,' says Deeb. 'I didn't have a lot of money growing up to buy firearms, and I wanted working people to be able to afford a weapon without having to take out a mortgage on their house. Poor people need protection more than other people.' Deeb knows the low price tag on his guns may attract criminals, too.
'The dope dealers and gang bangers don't like to spend a lot of money on weapons,' Deeb said. 'They tend to throw them away.' Because of that, Deeb designs his guns to make them easily identifiable through ballistics testing and a second, hidden serial number. He also provides trigger locks, and stopped making a chrome-plated handgun that appealed to the criminal element. 'Money isn't everything in life. I feel I bear some responsibility, and that's why I do everything possible to catch the bad guys,' he said.
When Deeb learned that a Hi-Point rifle was used in the shooting at Columbine in 1999, he closed his factory for a day and considered leaving the gun business. 'I was just sick over it,' he said. 'I thought about quitting, but then I thought I'm not going to be defeated by evil.' Hi-Point owner Thomas Deeb was a television repairman before becoming a firearms manufacturer. He was raised in Wabash, Indiana, one of six children, son of a barber. He bought his first handgun, a Ruger, at the age of 17.
Soon afterward he dropped out of high school and joined the Air Force, serving during the Vietnam War. After his military service, he opened a television repair service center and video rental store. After spending a couple of years designing the handguns and rifles he wanted to mass produce, he opened his Hi-Point factory near Mansfield, Ohio in 1992. The thirty employees in the Hi-Point factory earn $11 an hour plus health benefits, and are proud of their products.
Hi-Point firearms has produced nearly a million weapons since 1992, and is now the fourth-largest handgun maker in the country. 'Real, hard-working guns for real, hard-working people,' said Mark Weber, 35, a Hi-Point employee. 'I own one of all the pistols he makes - five of them' Deeb makes $1 million a year, and lives in a $400,000, 5,600-square-foot house on 16 acres of land. Deeb's answer to gun violence is to enforce existing laws - not to further restrict gun sales or production. 'If you have punishment, the crime decreases,' says Deeb. He is a fan of President Bush, and gave Republicans $30,000 in the 2004 election. Deeb says, 'I support George W.
He's really empowered federal agents to put pressure on people who commit firearms crimes, and that's why crime is decreasing.' Deeb's 27-year-old son helps run the plant. 'They say we're making guns for criminals. The truth is, my dad is one of the best, most caring people you ever met,' said Thomas Deeb II.
'Guns don't kill. All handgun models feature:. 3-dot, fully adjustable sights. High-impact grips. Trigger lock at no extra charge.
New Powder Coat finish that is a durable, attractive finish which makes gripping your pistol easier. An Operations and Safety Sheet is included with every firearm. All Hi-Point Firearms are +P+ rated; they will handle all factory ammunition including Law Enforcement Only +P+ loads. The Magazine for the CF380 holds 8 rounds. The magazine for the Compact 9mm carries 8 rounds. The magazine for the 9mm Comp Pistol carries 10 rounds, and will also fit and function in all other Hi-Point 9mm Compact pistols. The magazine for the.40 S & W pistol holds ten rounds.
The magazine for the Hi-Point.45 ACP holds 9 rounds. All are made in the U.S.A., with a 100% lifetime guarantee. 995 Carbine 9mm magazines will not fit the 9mm pistol. 4095 Carbine magazines will fit the.40S&W pistol.
All carbines feature:. Fully adjustable sights, with a 'Ghost Ring' rear sight and front post. High-impact, all-weather polymer stock. Trigger lock at no extra charge. Sling and swivels. Scope base to allow mounting of a regular Rifle Scope or Red Dot scope.
An Operations and Safety Sheet is included with every firearm. ALL are +P+ rated; they will handle all factory ammunition including Law Enforcement Only +P+ loads. Make sure your has an Operations and Safety Sheet. If it is not in the package from your dealer, call Hi-Point at (419) 747-6095 to obtain one free of charge. The 995 barrels are 8 land & groove 1 in 8' twist RH. Contact Information for Hi-Point Firearms MKS Supply: Marketer of 8611-A North Dixie Drive Dayton, OH 45414 Phone: 1-877-425-4867 Fax: (937) 454-0503 Email: What Are Hi-Point Pistols Made Of?
'Our frames & slides are made of a zinc alloy. They are a die cast molded part, not an investment casting. The material is called (Zamac 3),it is a pretty standard die casting material. There are allot of critics out there of our firearms, but there are many more people who are very pleased with them. We have been die casting our parts for almost 20 years with very good results. We use zinc because it is cost efective to manufacture,it is elastic which keeps the slides from breaking, and the weight is very similar to steel, which is needed in a direct blow back firearm. All I can say is try one of our firearms and see what you think.
Also, our firearms do hold up well. We have had many guns with thousands of rounds on them returned because the barrel had been shot out. We replace the barrel and return the gun at no charge. The barrels are a very good alloy steel.not zinc.'
Mike Strassell at H.P. A Tip About What Ammo Works Best (from Mike Strassell, toolmaker and designer at H.P.) 'I have found that the short, stub nosed hollow points have trouble feeding in all of our guns, and a lot of other guns.
I would suggest using a longer more cone-shaped hollow point. I was just testing some in a repair gun yesterday, and found some that worked great. Hornady makes one and I think federal was one.
Sometimes you can open the front lips of the clip a little to help on feeding. Also polish the sharp edge of the inside of the rear lips with a smooth file or sand paper, mostly on the far back radius of the lips.' Mike can be emailed at: and he reads and posts on and on the as 'HP995.' Mike designed the original 995 carbine stock, and is working on a new stock, which he believes will cost in the $30 range. Ranch rush 2.
More recent news about Mike Strassell. Mike is President of Strassell's Machine, Inc.
Phone: +1-(419)-747-1088 Address: 1015 Springmill St., Mansfield, Ohio, USA How Do Hi-Point Pistols Operate? Pistol slides are die cast from an aluminum/zinc alloy with steel inserts reinforcing the entire breech area and other stress points. Hi-Point was one of the first American manufacturers to use a polymer frame for firearms. In 1992-93 Hi-Point offered a 9mm pistol in polymer, then the.380, and lastly the.40 and.45 pistols. The barrel is mounted permanently to the frame while the recoil spring is located in a groove beneath the barrel where a downward extension of the slide bears upon it during recoil. Separate grip panels are held in place by screws and tabs on their bottom edges that enter cutouts in the frame. This design depends primarily upon the slide's mass to prevent it from moving to the rear until chamber pressure has dropped to a safe level while the recoil spring provides a secondary means of preventing slide movement.
Pistols are striker fired and utilize a single-action trigger mechanism. Trigger letoff is approximately four pounds. A thumb safety on the left side of the frame blocks the sear when engaged. To provide additional protection, the design includes a spring-loaded sear block that falls under the sear pin arm and prevents sear movement if the pistol is dropped while a weight counteracts sear movement. A simple magazine safety, consisting of a steel bar (magazine lockout, part No. 35) underneath the right grip panel, blocks the trigger bar from pushing the sear cam if the magazine is removed. When a magazine is inserted, it bears against a curved portion of the lockout bar, pushing it sideways so the trigger bar can move to engage the sear cam.
In addition, a clearance cut at the rear of the chamber, near the extractor, allows one to visually ascertain if a cartridge is in the chamber. How Are Hi-Point Pistols Field-stripped? First remove the magazine and retract the slide to verify the chamber is empty. Then move the slide to its rearmost position, push the manual safety up in the small, forward notch and lock the slide to the rear. The slide retainer pin at the rear of the frame is now exposed through the large (rear) safety notch in the slide. Using a 1/8-inch pin punch, remove the retainer pin from the frame.
Pull the safety down and ease the slide forward. Retract the slide about 3/8 inch and pull upward. Hold the rear of the slide and push forward, removing it from the frame.
Reassemble in reverse order. Where can I find replacement or extended-capacity magazines? BeeMiller Inc. 1015 Springmill Rd. Mansfield, OH 44906 (419) 747-9444 What kind of ammo should be used in a pistol?
Experiment for whatever works best in your particular pistol. +P ammo is OK. Some say that Remington Golden Saber frequently jams. Are the 40S&W and 9mm carbine stocks the same size? No they are not. The 40 is 1' longer, and the hand grip is a little larger than the 9. What can I do about my round-chambering problems?
As true for most semi-automatic pistols, many feeding problems have to do with the feed lips that hold the round as it is being chambered: Using 400 grit sand paper, remove and rough edges or burrs along the feed lips to smooth them. You can also polish the feed ramp using 600 grit sand paper, or a Dremel buffing attachment.
Be very careful to simply polish, and not to remove much metal. What if I need factory service?
Mansfield, OH
Depending on what model you own, your return address will vary accordingly. Call before Shipping, if you receive a recording leave a very brief message and they will return your call ASAP. The info below about return addresses is from the FAQ.45acp Pistols Only, - Haskell Manufacturer 585 E.
45801 1-419-225-8297 -.40S&W Pistols Only, - Iberia Firearms 3929 St. 309 Galion, OH. 44833 1-419-468-3746 - All other, Pistols & Carbines - Beemiller Inc. 1015 SpringMill st. Mansfield, OH. 44906 1-419-747-6095 - 'Please call the Hi-Point factory toll-free at (866)948-4867 (Mon - Thurs 7 a.m.
And Friday 7 a.m. To noon Eastern Time)' Note: This information has been gathered from several different sources, including the best place online to go with your Hi-Point problems. If you find something in this FAQ that is wrong or out of date, and I will modify this page. This page is sponsored.
I have a JC, and the number IS on the side of the frame.I can't imagine WHY HP would change the number, and then, stamp a new one in a different location? However, if the gun HAS a number, and you got a receipt with that number from the dealer, you are legal. I think.:thinking: Just make sure you keep that receipt safe.copy it, snap a digital pic and keep it in several places.and you might call mom about it, just to see what they say. If you don't have a receipt with the number.GET ONE!!!!!:cantlook. I live in n/e ohio.
Few yrs back nawspaper listed at least 75-100 guns of all makes and sizes. Said if you have anything missing like these come to sherrif office.
These are guns they cant trace and find owners. I called, talked to sherrif, asked if i could buy any unclaimed guns. They had a deadline, cause they were headed to melt down at foundry in the area. They cant sell due to possibly being liable if they sold a gun and it was used in a crime. Few other people inquired,like me, and found out later they at least traded some to a gun shop some where in ohio for some swat gear. The rest were melted. When i talked to sherrif (over 1/2 hr) he said there were quite a few collectables and a few he would like to buy.
Sad thing is our leos are always having money issues but we litterly melt down possible money in the local foundry. Happens every so many yrs. Frign sad:'(:cantlook. I never could understand why PDs melt down guns. If they can be legally sold to an FFL, what's the difference if it came from the PD or Joe Schmo off the street?
The cops make a little extra cash for their firearms training fund or whatever, they don't have to pay someone to melt them down, and the public gets a chance to buy a nice used gun. With over 200 million guns out there and thousands of new ones made each year, the few hundred a large PD could 'get off the street' by destroying them is laughably insignificant. I never could understand why PDs melt down guns. If they can be legally sold to an FFL, what's the difference if it came from the PD or Joe Schmo off the street? The cops make a little extra cash for their firearms training fund or whatever, they don't have to pay someone to melt them down, and the public gets a chance to buy a nice used gun.
With over 200 million guns out there and thousands of new ones made each year, the few hundred a large PD could 'get off the street' by destroying them is laughably insignificant.
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